In this fourth interview, Shane L. Windmeyer, a member of the Iowa Tribe of Kansas and Nebraska, LGBTQ+ campus pioneer and civil rights champion, author and editor of numerous LGBTQ+ college related books, founder and executive director of Campus Pride, and the creator of the Campus Pride Index, discusses his work as Assistant Director of Student Activities at UNC Charlotte, and his subsequent work building Campus Pride. [All times are approximate]. [00:00] Introductions. [01:08] Mr. Windmeyer relates why he and his partner, Tommy Feldman, chose to look for jobs in Charlotte in 1997 to be close to family members. He describes his role at UNC Charlotte as the Assistant Director of Student Activities and the lack of awareness of LGBTQ+ student needs at the University at that time. He describes the small LGBTQ+ student organization, PRIDE, that existed in the late 1990s, the lack of visibility of LGBTQ+ people in general on campus, and the prevailing herteronormative culture. [10:13] Mr. Windmeyer describes his role overseeing the programming board for student events and how he was able to encourage students to diversify their choices of performers. He details how he organized speaking engagements with Ryan White's mother, Jeanne White Ginder, and also with Judy Shepherd, the mother of Matthew Shepherd. He notes the association of Judy Shepherd with Dr. Phil Dubois, who was President of the University of Wyoming when Matthew was murdered. He describes how he worked with the Regional AIDS Interfaith Network (RAIN) to bring the AIDS Memorial Quilt to UNC Charlotte in 1999. [14:41] Mr. Windmeyer outlines how he brought Safe Zone training to UNC Charlotte, and how he worked with a colleague in the Counseling Center to start a faculty staff LGBTQ+ group. He notes that very few faculty and staff were willing to be out publicly and that diversity at the University was generally understood to be racial and did not embrace sexual orientation and gender identity. Before leaving Mr. Windmeyer did create a proposal to fund a graduate student for the Multicultural Office to do LGBTQ+ work, which was eventually acted on. He expresses his opinion that the University still has not fully supported LGBTQ+ students. He discusses particular faculty who were out on campus or very involved in the Charlotte community with LGBTQ+ issues. [20:00] Mr. Windmeyer talks about LGBTQ+ activity within the Charlotte community, noting the impact that HIV-AIDS had on local organizing. He describes the organizations and local activists he was aware of and notes the low visibility of local LGBTQ+ events. He describes an initiative he was involved with for marriage equality, his involvement with the Charlotte Business Guild, and the difficulties he initially faced in getting involved in community activities due to his heavy workload at UNC Charlotte and lack of transport. [34:04] Mr. Windmeyer talks about why he stayed in Charlotte after leaving UNC Charlotte, feeling that it was a place where he could make a difference by building resources. He notes his realization that he needed to expand services beyond Lambda 10 to be more all embracing of college life. He describes how Campus Pride Net came into being in 2001 and his growing speaking career focused on LGBTQ+ issues on college campuses across the nation. He describes how at this time his partner was creating a design business, which inspired him to create his own business, and how he founded the non-profit Campus Pride in 2006. [42:19] He discusses his work with colleagues and the challenges of fundraising. [51:37] He discusses the emergence of other competing organizations across the nation, noting that when marriage equality passed in the Supreme Court there were many activist groups that turned focus on youth. He addresses the issue of protecting intellectual capital as an internet entity. He describes how Campus Pride has a program revenue flow consisting of a variety of camps and training sessions focused on developing future leaders and creating safe spaces. [1:05:42] He describes the development of the Campus Pride Index, how it measures policy, programming, and practice related to LGBTQ+ issues and resources on campuses, how the database was built, and how it is intended to enable colleges to improve their services. [1:15:46] Mr. Windmeyer ends the interview describing the pillars of Campus Pride programming: the college fair and the transition from high school to college for students and their families; programming, including leadership training and safe zone training; and moving students to careers or graduate education, through the job board, job fairs, and a new initiative, Campus Pride Career Connect, that matches students with mentors in the professions.